I put up Toss Panos
Thanks for that response Groovesmitty. I had read about Steve's knowledge of what seemed like an endless variety of different musical styles. I couldn't exactly remember the exact content of that article, so I decided to keep my mouth shut.
Drummerforhire, don't discredit a drummer or someone's statement when your evidence for backing up your points really isn't well-founded.
I put up Toss Panos
Tos is one bad mama jamma indeed. Love Gary Novacks playing. Haas is great, no disrespect. But there are sooo soooo many good/great/amazing drummers out there.
Randy, I LOVE Toss Panos. Another Greek American drummer, like Hass. So you know he can handle odd meters and middle eastern music along with his great rock approach. I have heard him with Dweezil many years ago. However, can you please inform me where I can hear Toss playing be-bop, or Cuban for that matter? I would love to hear that. Is Toss on any jazz recordings with the LA jazzers such as Alan Pasqua, Dave Carpenter and Bob Shepperd? Not to my knowledge. I also never saw his name in association with any top latin musicians. Please advise if you have, I would love to hear it!
Either way I love Toss, but I would not say he is one of the versatile players out there, unless of course there are examples of his playing and resume of which I am unaware.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 25, 2005 04:06 AM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font>
hmm, Faith Hill, The Fire Merchants, Mike Keneally, Kevin Gilbert/Toy Matinee.
to go from Faith Hill to Mike Keneally, that's diversity right there.
Toss Panos is great with Mike Landau too. Didn't know he was so versatile.
I saw Gary Novak with Holdsworth live but I wasn't too exited about his playing that evening. But he is still a badass player.
Garibaldi and Erskine?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talking about Mark KelsoOriginally posted by Groovesmitty:
How is it silly to want to know about other extremely versatile drummers? And yes, if you go to Hass' site the opening piece is a nanigo. Hass' latin abilty goes far beyond that groove. He's also very well versed in Middle Eastern styles such as Tsiftetelli. Hass also plays with Armenian superstar Hooshere Bizdikian. I honestly don't believe there's another drummer alive that can go on tour with an authentic Armenian singer and then play be-bop with Christian McBride, or play latin with Danilo Perez, and then play African with Richard Bona, and then play on a Jennifer Love Hewitt pop track.
If there is, I would like to know so I can check them out and learn.
What's silly about that Mr drummerforhire?
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ October 24, 2005 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font></font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Flarobstix:
...But the only notables he's played with are Gino Vanelli and Holly Cole, both artists not very active in this day and age. He hasn't really performed with any artists that are at the top of their field.
If a drummer was that competent and that well versed his resume would be more mainstream, and he would be getting called by the worlds best artists and musicians to make music.
I was looking for more drummers along the versatile profile line. Drummers that have played the genres with musicians at the top of the genre. For example, Hass sometimes plays with Brazilian guitar god Homero Lubambo, who's actually a top guitarist in Brazil as well as in the US.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ October 23, 2005 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Flarobstix ]</font></font><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Talking about Toss Panos:Originally posted by Paraflam:
yeah this dude has done some playing. What I don't get is how he can list names like that. I don't have him on any Brecker albums or Paquito albums, and I certainly never heard of him touring with those guys, as I've been a fan of those guys for over 15 years.
Can someone tell me how I can hear Mark as a part of Breckers band?
Never heard of this other guy either. But Gary Novack out here in LA can handle many many different situations. Although, I've never heard him play serious clave Rob.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ October 23, 2005 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Paraflam ]</font></font>
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You three: GROOVESMITTY, PARAFLAM AND FLAROBSTIX seem to be the same person, or you three share the same BRAIN, specially the part associated with the writting skills.Well, I am (partially) joking...but I had to say it.Originally posted by Groovesmitty:
Another Greek American drummer, like Hass. However, can you please inform me where I can hear Toss playing be-bop, or Cuban for that matter? I would love to hear that. Is Toss on any jazz recordings with the LA jazzers such as Alan Pasqua, Dave Carpenter and Bob Shepperd? Not to my knowledge. I also never saw his name in association with any top latin musicians. Please advise if you have, I would love to hear it!
Either way I love Toss, but I would not say he is one of the versatile players out there, unless of course there are examples of his playing and resume of which I am unaware.
<font color="#a62a2a"><font size="1">[ October 25, 2005 04:06 AM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font></font>
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 25, 2005 12:39 PM: Message edited by: Juan Expo ]</font>
First of all Juan, I hope you would have been able to notice that I have a completely different writing style in my posts than someone like Flarobsticks or Para who happen to use even less "cushion" than I.
Thinking alike? It's possible as people who share interests sometimes to share opinions. I believe it is more so a matter of trying to find someone else who can authentically play various styles of music, and who has had the career i.e: tours and recordings to prove it. It is easy for someone to print on a site or on a resume that they can play anything, but if that were the reality, they would have the resume to go along with it. I believe it's a very logical way of thinking, and if Para and Rob share the same view, well good for them! Let's not forget Suspiria and Johnadiddle. Maybe I am them as well. hee hee!! In the meantime, I'll go with Erskine myself. I overlooked him. He's been in many situations.
Randy all the artists you listed for Toss require some form of 2+4 drumming or "modern Amercan" drumming. I said jazz, latin, and world. I asked if he's played be-bop. You ignored the question and formed your own answer which did not coincide with the question.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 25, 2005 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Groovesmitty ]</font>
Sorry for the misconception - I in no way, shape or form meant to put down anyone - no one on the forum and not Hass or anyone else.
I was simply stating that the list of requirements is kinda silly. No, I don't know much about him, but the Naningo isn't that hard and reasonably well established in American music, so I'd be more surprised to hear that he can't do it - and far better than I could ever hope to do myself.
Yes, I'm more than certain Hass is amazing, but there are a lot of amazing players there. Discounting players because of their lacking skill in one particular area or another is silly. Discouting players for not having played with famous people from one catagory or another is even more silly. It takes luck and skill to land those gigs, and a modicrum of fame certianly helps.
In any case, I'm sorry for the misuderstanding. I am just trying to be positive here. Cheers
keneally is a little more than 2&4.
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